Good afternoon, my name is Stacia Elders and we welcome you to the Regional Center of Expertise on Education for Sustainable Development breakout session as a part of the Sustainability Summit. For those of you who have never participated in WebEx before, please use the Q&A option to ask any questions. These will be collected and answered towards the end of the presentation. Use the navigation bar at the bottom of your screen to access the Q&A function. At the end of the webinar you'll be asked to fill out an evaluation, please fill it out when it pops up on your screen. Your feedback will help us improve future events.
This webinar will be recorded and will be available on our website after it has been transcribed and caption to comply with ADA Accessibility Guidelines. Our guest speaker today is Meghna Tare at UT Arlington, Arlington, excuse me, the first Chief Sustainability Officer. Meghna works collaboratively to foster partnerships among academic research and operational departments at UT Arlington. She leads institutional sustainability efforts in support of the UT Arlington's 2020 Strategic Plan Bold Solutions Global Impact. She also works to address opportunities to promote sustainability in energy efficiency, resource conservation, waste management, transportation, education, outreach, media engagement, supporting and encouraging student initiatives and implementing an interdisciplinary and sustainable focused curriculum.
Meghna also serves and represents UTA on several advisory boards, and with that, I will hand it over to you Meghna.
Thank you so much Stacia. It's so weird to talk to a screen and not see the participants in person, and I hope everybody can see me all right. It's been a crazy three-days watching your TV screen so bear with me for another hour. Good afternoon, thank you so much for joining this session. I can see that there are 12 participants 10 or 12 participants that are in this session, two of them, I know. Hey Gary, I'm waving at you [chuckles] So my talk today is about the Regional Center of Expertise, also known as RCE, which is focused on education process.
The bug[inaudible]. I've looked back at the [inaudible] regional scale, but before I do that, I quickly wanted to introduce myself, thank you Stacia for the introduction. So, here is my contact information in case I forget to bring it up at the end of the presentation. I've been with UTA for 11 years. I work as a Chief Sustainaibility Officer and like Stacia said it's, it, it's a profile which includes everything from sustainability operations on campus to a little bit of strategy planning for UTA, and also a lot of community engagement and collaboration which is embedded in the strategic plan for UTA.
So, trying to ...notches in ...corporate sustainability within the boundaries of UTA and, but outside as well. And I feel really privileged and happy that so many ...North Texans who are working and attending this session today are interested in what UTA has to offer in terms of sustainability. So, thank you for taking the time to be here. So, I'm gonna start from the beginning because most of the times, I assume, and it's my mistake that people understand what Education for Sustainable Development is or what the UN MDGs are. And so having gone through a couple of such experiences 20 minutes into the presentation, I realize I should have gone back and given the background.
So here it is. I don't know how many of you know about the MDGs as they call the Millennium Development Goals, which were eight goals that was adopted in the year 2000 by the world leaders who gathered at the UN to sort of shape the destiny of the world in terms of environmentalists 9s, [inaudible] I don't think sustainably thing was a buzzword at that time. It kind of grew from this initiative that happened in 2000. And so, the idea was for the world leaders to get together and see how can you sustain that planet long-term. And I think in 2000, there were so many issues that were impacting people around the world, hunger was one of them so poverty was a really big, big focus of these groups, and child mortality, improving the quality of life for the men, and also HIV and AIDS. This was the time when that was prevalent in underdeveloped countries. And so this was the idea of the world leaders, like let's get together and focus on these eight goals, right? So they decided to do that for 15 years. The idea was we worked on this in a systemic way without developed framework in which included a lot of data tracking for 15 years. And it was called the MDG framework. And in my presentation, I've included a YouTube link with a video which talks about the goals, but I did want to show you, so I'm going to exit out of my PowerPoint and show you the website link.
Can everybody, I hope everyone can see my screen. Okay, I know it's not that big, but this link is also in the PowerPoint presentation and this is sort of the progress report that was put forward by UN to show what was achieved in those 15 years of adapting, adopting the MDGs. And so, for every goal that was worked on to Racket [inaudible], eradicate poverty, primary education, empowering women, child mortality, improving the health of mothers across the world, combating HIV and AIDS. As you can see, goal number seven was sustainability was just a very small part of this Greek [inaudible] framework, but it was just a very broad statement that said ensure environmental sustainability. And then there was a global partnership for development goal, right? So the human [inaudible] kind of worked on these eight goals for seniors. [inaudible], and then they listed the progress to say, well, we achieved this, we did not achieved this. But it was there, some criticism of the MDGs.
But I'm not going to go into that, I'm not talking about anything negative today. They did achieve a lot of reduction in poverty and I'm very glad they did that because it sets the stage for what happened next, right? So, the success of those food [inaudible]15 years kinda empowered them and gave them the confidence that we can pick up from where we started and expand and build upon it and so in 2012 there was a UN Conference on Sustainable Development in Rio de Janeiro, or which is called the Rio 20. And at that time the world leaders decided, well the MDGs were successful but it did not consider any environmentally issues, right? So, as I said, goal number seven was ensure environmental sustainability, which is a very small part. And so they said, well, we're not paying attention to climate change, greenhouse gas emissions, access to clean drinking water, or even water quality. Going forward, it's just very broad which is more focused on poverty and inequality. And so, they said that we need to work on something that is sustainable development, which is not just the relationship between nature and society, but also the third pillar of Sustainability Economic Dimension that came into play.
And so that builds upon the MDG to come up with the SDG, which is what you known as the UN Sustainable Development Goals or the Global Goals for Sustainable Development. So, as you can see, they had 17 goals. And some of them they picked from the MDG is like you can see the reduced inequality, gender equality, and peace and justice, and no poverty, which is why no poverty is their number one goal because that was a very strong focus on MDGs. And so, they came about these 17 goals which are called as the UN SDG, which was adopted in 2015. And I'm going to show you the website for that. And so, if you go to this website, United Nations website, you can click on every goal and it will show you the details of how many, I think that are a 167 targets for all the 17 goods, 69 targets. So, it will show for every goal that there are seven targets.
How many publications? how many actions have been taken across the world? what kind of event has happened? So, based on your interests or area of research or expertise, you can go to every goal to find out. And there are lots of documents that have been published to show the case studies for what has been done in various regions across the world.
All those documents that are available under UN websites and I have a few of those if anybody would like, I can share the PDF with Stacia. So, the human [inaudible] adopted the SDGs and that is sort of the center point of our presentation today. Embedded [inaudible] in the regional center of expertise, right? But the reason the SDG is also important and key and people pay attention to them a lot because they are very integrated. They are not in silos like the MDGs were, a 20-30 SDG does the kind of focus on people which is the well-being of people, which is inclusive of equality and poverty and access to education.
The focus on the planet, which is the water, like below water. And so the earth's ecosystem, it focuses on prosperity because you do want people to increase their standard of living with time. And so, economic and innovation is an important part of the SDGs. And I think partnership and peace beyond.. No, we need peace, right? so I am ready. I'm very impressed that they decided to include peace because it generally is an assumption and everything that happens, and so peace was a very strong focus and plus partnership. So, by partnership, it was moved for international collaboration, but also building partnerships at very small local and regional levels. And so, each goal is important because all of them are, let me go back, inter-related.
And that's the beauty of the SDGs and implementing at the global level or at a local level like UN LDG, [inaudible]. For example, if you look at goal number six which is to ensure access to water and sanitation for oil, you can always interrelate it to achieving gender equality and empowering women and girls, because I'm sure everybody has seen those pictures of women in India and other Asian countries walking for two hours to bath with those [inaudible] part-time.. that had to take water for their family access to drinking water, right? And if we talk about climate change in, it can be correlated to consumption and production are technology innovation. So, that's the beauty of these goals, and the idea is that if you implement or work towards one goal, you are indirectly implementing or helping towards the other goal. And that's why they are not in silos and that's the beauty of the SDGs. So, goal number four of the SDG is quality education, and the reason it's really important topic for consideration is because we are all at an academic institution, DCCCD, is hosting the summit is very much committed to UN sustainable development goals and UN SDG not interests in their operations, but some of the initiatives that they have for faculty, staff and students on campus and quality education, which is goal number four of the UN SDG.
It is to promote lifelong learning opportunities for all, not just at college-level, but academic level as well. And so this number four and still forms the basis for Education for Sustainable Development rate. It's the centerpiece of ESD as they call it. And so after the MDG the United Nations dedicated 2005 to 2014 as the decade of Education for Sustainable Development is what they call it, ESD, and UNESCO was the lead agency for this, and so what happened was the United Nations University, which is based in Japan, they were watching all this and they realized that the UNESCO has successfully established the MDGs and they have successfully targeted the ticket of Education for Sustainable Development. And so they went to UNESCO and saying, why don't we partner together to take this forward and not just stop it after the decade was over in 2015? why don't they build upon it? And so the Institute for the Advanced Study of Sustainability, IAS they partnered with UNESCO to sort of launch this global multi-stakeholder network. for Education in Sustainable Development, which they now call it as the RCE, the Regional Center of Expertise on ESD Education for Sustainable Development.
And this sort of took over the decade and the MDGs and kind of carry the flame forward after 2014. So that is how a Regional Center of Expertise for Education and Sustainable Development happened in the North Texas region. But the idea is that it does not have to be at a global scale, it can be very local. So think globally and act locally, it was the idea behind the United Nations University Initiative to kind of collaborate with various regions across the world to have these RCEs at a regional level. And so what they did was they worked with various regions through an application process to kind of build upon this education initiative, and here is a map. So as of today since 2014 when this whole initiative started with the United Nations University and the UNESCO and the success of the ESD. There are a 175 RCEs across the world right now. And I don't know if you can see on the map, but North Texas's is here. Really small dot, and I don't know if it's out. [inaudible] but out of the 175 RCEs, US only has seven or eight. And most of them, most of the other RCEs are kind of spread out in Europe and Asia more. But the trend is changing in the US as well. And I know lot of academic institutions, Arizona State University and George Washington University have gotten interested in this and are applying to be an RCE as well.
But really to put North Texas on the map here. And then there are others out in Atlanta or Grand Rapids, there's one in Portland, Portland was the first RCE that was established in the United States. And Puerto Rico is not here, but they've got accepted as an RCE last year. So the timeline for getting something like this was not easy and the work was not easy as well, because the success of every RCE is dependent on the stakeholders that you bring to the table, right? And so the idea is the more people you have, the more you are able to move the needle on sustainable development in the region. So I learned about this at a [inaudible] conference that I attended in 2017 at Portland.. was presenting at that time. And so I thought why can't we have one in North Texas and so after I came back in March of 2018, I had a stakeholder meeting which was hosted in COG in Arlington, not [inaudible] Central Texas Council of Government. And we heard almost 70 sustainability leaders from the North Texas region who attended the session because I think curiosity was one thing, but I think everybody was also struggling on implementing various initiatives at an organizational level.
So they were kind of excited on this idea of having a global framework to work on sustainable development in the region. And so we had stakeholders from all the local governments, city of Dallas. They know a lot of non-profits like the Texas Trees Foundation, NCT, COG, academic institutions, some grassroot organizations. And at this session we did sort of a mind-mapping to say first, are you willing to be part of an initiative? We are going to work on sustainability in the region using the UN framework. And everybody was excited about that, and then the next step was, well, there are 17 goals and I don't, I didn't think it was realistic that we work on everything, so we did sort of break out. Breakout rooms of small groups of, I think eight. And we asked everyone out of those 17 goals, which ones do you think are more relevant for North Texas? Which ones do you think North Texas needs to work on collectively to advance sustainable development? And by consensus, everybody agreed on quality education, good health, and well being. So as digit [inaudible] 34 and then SDG 11, sustainable cities and communities, which was a focus of a lot of folks in that room as it is.
So it was really easy to build upon, and so as a group of 80 stakeholders we decided at that point, okay let's use these three SDGs to work on an NRC for our region. And so then using those stakeholders, I drafted an application which I sent to the United Nations. They went over it, gave some review, and then I had to make the changes and submit another application. But it's easy to say I did one application and I did the final application, what happened in those eight months was a lot of collaboration, was a lot of meetings that happened at UTA, and I had to work with a lot of people to get their buy-in to be part of this. Even though I'm not asking anyone to sign a formal agreement or, it's not like I'm asking anyone to sign the UN Global. But that was a point of contention for a lot of words.
For example, FedEx was trying to join the RCE, but then their legal said well, we don't want to work with something where the UN Global Compact comes into existence. And they explained to them that that's not what we are trying to do, but they were reluctant. But then a lot of other organizations joined like the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, be NSF [inaudible] DFW airport. And I'll show you the list of those stakeholders as we proceed through the presentation. And with this application I also had to submit letters of approvals from all these organizations saying that we want to be part of this network and we want to support as SDG for the region that was included in the application as well. And the application is available for everyone to see if they would like to. And so after a year of work, we finally got the approval from the United Nations University saying that RCE North Texas is approved and sort of accepted for the North Texas region.
And that's when the real work started after a period seven, we did the project implementation and other things. But these are the three things that we had to really pay attention to as we were drafting the application. So, it's a Regional Center, right? So how do you define the boundaries of the region? do we just call it Collin County and Tarrant County? Or do we include the neighboring counties as well? And in my discussion with COG and other people, we decided, okay, let's not keep it so close and so small, let's expand it to all the 12 County regions that North-Central Texas Council works with, even though most of our stakeholders are from three or four counties. My hope and goal is, that we bring in other organizations and grassroots organizations from the remaining eight to ten counties as well, slowly and steadily as we build the momentum. And then as a group, we came up with a mission statement and a vision statement, which is very simple, but I think it's powerful and healthy, equitable, and resilient North Texas. And so, it speaks volumes and it encompasses all the three SDGs that we picked for the region. So this was goal number three that we picked ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages as leading number three.
Then we picked number four, ensure inclusive and quality education for all and promote lifelong learning. And as [inaudible] 11, make cities inclusive, safe, resilient, and sustainable, right? So, these are the [inaudible] and we can always build upon AIG. [inaudible] I mean, we are working on this, but I mean that is not going to stop us from adding more SDG to our area of focus in say, two to three years from now. And so then we started the discussion with the stakeholders, why do we want to have RCE North Texas, right? And the question was, because I think people were a little bit exhausted from the part of a lot of networks that were happening around, right? There are some networks that come out of non-profit groups, academic groups, or private groups. And so, people are like, why do I want to sign up to be part of another network and attend board meetings? And so we then had to convince them that first of all, it is not just something where you have to kind of do the paperwork or attend events or give your time and resources, but you can actually get something back out of it.
For example, we decided that we need to do a stakeholder mapping for the region, and I will show you a map for that as well on what we accomplished and what are the steps going forward. And then we decided that we need to have a little bit more collaboration, education and training, and I'll show you examples of that as well. And then conferences and meetings. Why is it that DCCCD is organizing this summit? and all of you are taking time on a Friday afternoon to attend, right? Because you care about it and you want to learn what others are offering. And so that's the goal of the RCE. And going forward, we are going to do that, have like an annual summit where everybody can come and participate and learn about the three SDG's. And also do like a gap analysis for the region and collective leadership impact. And I'll talk about that as well. So the organization structure for the RCE, because it can be just one organization with APP [inaudible] because that would lead to a lot of chaos. And so just like everybody else or every other organization, we decided that we would have an advisory board, which we have not done it.
And there's good reason for that because I did not want to have an advisory board without having some concrete steps done and established to show the value to the advisory board because they are the ones who can help you with the long-term strategic plan for the organization. So, we, we have not even two years old yet, so we will hold on to that, but that is a goal and an ambition. But Gary is my partner in crime. Gary's here attending the session and he will also help answer your questions if you have any, but Gary and I are sort of the link coordinators for this RCE. It is anchored at UT Arlington because I'm at UT Arlington but UTA and UTD, both institutions that are part of UT system are sort of the leading organizations for this. And I'm very happy and glad that DCCCD is actually a very bigger part of this RCE in North Texas. And then we have a couple of steering committees, which is very loosely based right now. And Kuwait [inaudible] has no product appears as well. [inaudible] But some of the committees are education and outreach. There's one committee that's focused on events, there's one committee that is focused on R&D research and development, there's one news network which is actually led by DCCCD, and then there's a governance and monitoring committee.
So after my presentation, if you are interested in being part of any one of them, I will show you on our website how you can sign up or you can just email me and we would be very glad to have you. So, here's a picture that we took of all the people that attended the first RCE meeting that happened in March 28th of 2019 hosted by UTA and, you know, there was a lot of excitement and enthusiasm. And I think Gary and I are really happy to say that enthusiasm and momentum has faded. It might have slowed down, but that's just because of Kuwait, [inaudible] but it has not faded. And I do see that it is going to build up strong going forward. So, here's a stakeholder map that I wanted to show. We have, like I said, 70 stakeholders who are part of this, right? So, what I did was I, I did a stakeholder mapping that I put every organization on it, and the three SDGs alignment for them and then put them into a map. So, right now, these are the people who are from the non-profit organizations. These are the people stakeholders from private, and public sector and educational sector who's working on [inaudible] and I am going to exit this and show you.
So this is our website following the RCE North Texas, and I have listed everything here, including the application that you need, everything that we've just presented. You can find it here. But here is the stakeholder mapping, which I want to show it to you. I know, I'm not, I don't have a lot of time that I want to show it to you, to show what kind of organizations we have. So-called SDG3, good health and well-being, these are the organizations and this map has been updated last week, so it is very much relevant. [laughs] So good health and well-being, we have all these, we have all, we have all these organizations and quality education, DCCCD is there. How sustainable cities and communities SDG 11, lots of books so you can see we have dark climate reality project, lot of local government, Environmental Defense Fund Development Project, which is a very interesting project out of network.
TRW, the Hydroelectric [inaudible] Parkland Hospital, BNSF,[inaudible] Toyota is here, SMU.[inaudible] and this keeps building up. So every three months we have been adding new stakeholders to this group. [pause] Stacia, how much time do I have? [Stacia]You've got a little under ten more minutes. [Meghna] Okay. Okay. All right, [pause] so I also wanted to brag about a few things, as part of the RCE, we have submitted a couple of projects to the United Nations and we have received a couple of awards or not couple, but one of them, I'm expecting another one this year because I submitted another project for the award, but the RCE recognition award. So, one of the NSF funded conferences that we had at UTA was awarded a flagship project for what? Life Online Sustainable Development Goal 15. And there's another project that I submitted for this year for again, Life Online. Hopefully we get that one too. But if you are curious, we have listed all of this information, so if you go to the project page and the RCE website, we have listed all the projects and you can download the report.
So Gary did a project with North Texas Food Bank and the wildly[inaudible] DISD Food Waste Initiative, and that information is listed here. We did a project with a non-profit organization called the Trinity Coalition, which is based out of Fort Worth, and they found out about the RCE and they said, well, you have all the resources of organization, but also people, so can you help us? And what they wanted to do was, they wanted to develop a water quality report card for the Trinity to kinda tell people that the water is good enough for recreational use. So they actually paid them $1000 for a graduate student in the system to be hired at UTA, and she did the work for six months, and we did a lot of presentations to COG and Tarrant Regional Water District and the Water Resource Council at COG, and everybody was impressed and they all liked this project so much that now we are applying for funding to build upon this and expand it.
And so I'm not going to click download because those are very heavy files, including PowerPoints and this session will crash, but do go to that download link and find out about the initiative. And so, you know, those who are in the audience, I can't tell who you are but if you have a project that you would like somehow, not just from students but even experts in the area, you know, reach out to us and we would love to help you out as part of the RCE because that was the idea of forming this organization and to move the needle for Sustainable Development using the UNSW [inaudible] framework. And this is the project that I've submitted for another award this year. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed and being very optimistic about it. I don't know why this slide is showing up here, but communication and outreach is an integral part of any organization. And I believe that if people don't know about it, they will never be part of it. Just like, you know, what you cannot measure, you cannot manage what you can tell, you cannot get the buy-in.
And so we have every quarterly newsletter that goes out that includes success stories about our partners, a lot of events including the CCD and op-eds by a few of our stakeholders and so check it out. It's also available on the website under newsletters. And then the Youth Network, so because we are talking about education, Education for Sustainable Development, and we are all in the business of education. I think it's very important to bring the youth into the conversation because they are the ones who are going to carry it forward. They are the ones who are going to build upon it. And so the Youth Network is actually embedded [inaudible] and led by Brandon which many of you know, with Gary's help at Dallas County Community College District and I think I don't know if ionized[inaudible] in the session today. But there are a few initiatives that have been going on for the Youth Network.
And we also did a presentation for the RCE America's meeting that just happened last month, which was originally meeting that represented [inaudible] about what the Youth Network is doing for the RCE North Texas. And there are a lot of virtual conferences that happen not because of COVID but that has been the trend before too. Because the RCE of the Americas include South America, North America, and Central America. And so, it's easier for everyone to participate if it's virtual without having to spend travel dollars where, you know, we have youths from the various RCEs who come and present their work. And what I'm working with the RCE Global is kind of having an exchange program. So if, say students from UTD or UNT, UT or Dallas County Community College District, they want to go on an exchange program with a focus on sustainability and environmental science, we will partner them with the global RCE wherever it is that they are planning to go and connect them with the people there.
So, it is not a very random process, but they can engage with the RCE in that region and they can help them out and help them with the project and kind of increase the engagement. So we are working on that kind of an exchange program going forward and I hope it works out because I think then the study abroad programs, which are key programs at various organizations making do,[inaudible] do the UNDP [inaudible] and SMU can incorporate the RCE network into their teaching as well.
And I want to leave some time for Q&A, and that's my contact information, and I can send you all the links, but this is the Global RCE network link, which I highly encourage you to check out because it lists the RCEs across the world; African, Middle East, Asia, Pacific, Europe, and the Americas. You can go to any RCE and find out the details about any RCE, and this page, we have built it on a very regular basis with all the projects and initiatives. Alright, I'm going to leave some time for a Q&A, Stacia. Thank you so much. [Stacia]For those of you that maybe were not here in the beginning, you can use the Q&A function on the bottom of your screen to be able to submit a question. We did have some comments come in, just discussing that change definitely takes time and we definitely saw that just from thinking about it to creating this group to the projects, change definitely takes time. Would you be able to put the link or the web address for the RCE in the chat Meghna? [Meghna] Yeah, Yeah, for proxy like the OCC, [inaudible] not Texas.
[Stacia] Yes. Perfect. That way if people wanna pull that up right now, they can kind of look around or save that, so they have it right there with them. Again, feel free to submit any questions and just kinda going along with that comment on change. [to Meghna] Did you have an expectation when you started thinking about getting the RCE up and running? Did you have an expectation that that was met of how long it may take? or did you think longer, less time kind of what was your expectation or thought process when you're getting started?
[Meghna]I knew it's going to take time because after I attended the presentations, I actually came back and scheduled columns [inaudible] with the other RCEs of the world to figure out what's the process, how long does it take, and what are some of the lessons learned? And the biggest lesson learned from everyone was that you better have a lot of stakeholders in your application, otherwise the UN does not consider it. To give you an example, Hawaii submitted an application to be an RCE twice, and it has been rejected because they don't have a good mix of stakeholders. And when the UN knew, actually did a review of application, they actually sent a message sort of in the approval letter that your RCE is the only one that has a lot of private sector participation, which does not happen a lot with other RCEs. And that is what something that we're really encouraging for, and so having a really good mix. But a lot of stakeholder was really key for this, which is why it took so much time because this is not something you can send an email to people, announce them, come on board, right? It has to be a one-on-one discussion.
So I think I spent a year just meeting people over coffee or lunches to explain to them the content and then answer any questions and then get their buy-in and support.[inaudible] [Stacia] Wow, definitely a lot of time and effort doing one on ones for sure, and meeting with people one on one. Did you use suggestions that you got from other RCEs of what stakeholders to kind of start targeting first? or kind of how did the process work to get those stakeholders on board? [Meghna] So I guess I already knew a lot of stakeholders that I wanted because I was working with them on a regular basis, that globe of cities and into the call. [inaudible] But then I also consulted a friend of mine to do like a recent analysis like who are the other organizations in the region who are working on sustainability and what are they doing? So, I had like a research document prepared for me and their contact information I got, and then I reached out to them and sort of got them in.
[Stacia] Thank you. Another question. Can you define the regional territory in North Texas for this group? [Meghna] Yeah, so it is the 12 counties, I can't remember it at the top, but it should be here somewhere. [looking for information in the PowerPoint presentation] The 12 counties that COG always talks about and focuses on. So, if you go to NCTC [inaudible] and I don't know if they have a map here, but let tells me that I [inaudible] shouldn't include only those counties in my information. So, let's see if I have it here, so, let's see if I have it here. [looking on the web for the counties] No I don't have the counties listed here, but I can send it out, but I know its Tarrant County, Collin County and the surrounding counties because the names on those counties were given to me by [inaudible]
[Stacia] Thank you, yeah. There's always more information, always things changing for sure. Yeah. Any other questions? Please feel free to submit those. We will be wrapping up so that way we have a few minute break for the attendees to be able to select and get to the final breakout session of the day. But we do appreciate everyone's attendance, the questions.
Thank you for putting your contact information up again and again and she's put the link in the chat. I'll do a final call out for questions, but Maghna, thank you again for presenting being with us today, sharing all of this information. We greatly appreciate it. And if there are no other questions, we will let you get, take a little break before the next session. And again, thank you, Maghna and everyone have a great rest of the summit. [Meghna] Thank you Stacia, because they think you're on. [inaudible]